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only the presentation. Amazing! All so tricky. We all want to encourage premies as individuals to invite friends, neighbors and relatives to dinner parties as above. Read, my cult is shrinking by the minute! I need new victims! "They" read the forum and then use what we say to try to correct the past mistakes with the intent of making all look benefitial and loving. I say to those premies: DIG! Investigate, DO doubt the teacher. Think about "smoking mirrors" and how they work. For curiosity I wanted to check the synonyms of this word. | Definition:  | Unintelligence | | Synonyms:  | benightedness, bewilderment, blindness, callowness, creeping meatballism, crudeness, denseness, disregard, dumbness, empty-headedness*, fog*, greenness, half-knowledge, illiteracy, incapacity, incomprehension, innocence, inscience, insensitivity, mental incapacity, naïveté, nescience, oblivion, obtuseness, philistinism, rawness, sciolism, shallowness, simplicity, unawareness, unconsciousness, uncouthness, unenlightenment, unfamiliarity, unscholarliness, vagueness | | Antonyms:  | education, intelligence, knowledge OH MY! THE POWER OF WORDS IS AMAZING! |
"They" are so very unintelligent! Poor "little Jossi. Hi brother, how much are you "sweating" today? That half-knowledge of yours makes you transperent: Your underware is showing! LOL Wake up! What is the bliss "they" feel? There are two creative energies; one positive and the other negative. If the teachings are bad, if it hurts the student, how it can be positive? BEWARE, what you don't know CAN hurt you without you even knowing. THINK! Knowledge/thinking is the foundation of true wisdom. No, not the old yoga techniques the bad teacher "borrowed" and misused it to arrest your human growht. I am refering to the REALITY of the truth of everything, of what is real/true; one arrives "there" assisted by the power of discerment, true understanding. Yeah, I was a good thinker at 18. Screw the bad teacher, disregard the bad teachings, without fear. Walk away, accept his invitation to do so, literally. Move on, leave him behind. Try it. It is a very liberating experience! Good find C! Â
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That's the set-up for an Amway meeting! I would totally expect somebody to haul out boxes of soap at the end of that. Oh, lordy, lordy, too funny. "Your checkbook is cordially invited to ........."
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Modified by lexy at Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 12:24:27
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Isn't this what he started out doing in London in 1968, correct me if I'm wrong Saph.
So now, 38 yrs later & he's back on the rubber chicken circuit. If I were God I'd get myself a new Prime Minister.
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or 37 years ....
Modified by Saph at Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 04:06:30
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Believe me, it was so very strange to participate, yes, there was some feeling but it was not a GOOD feeling, at all. One time our community was invited to another city to because our region accepted/wanted/needed an instructor to come around. The instructor - I cannot remember her name - I think it was Barbara, we, those in the place of caring for her were told she followed an special all natural diet. We had to agree before anything to follow the guidelines, one, was to supply the instructor with all the needs, from our pockets, already depleated from yrs. of traveling following m. The credit cards were trembling! LOL I wanted to make the healthier meal possible, with what I had at hand and yes, I remember it was pretty good, she said it too. It was a difficult situation because having kids, I was somewhere else, related, and had to drive a while to get home, cook the meal and go back to her hotel. After that we drove her to another city - it was kind of a tour she was doing, and to my surprise, I found my self later in a restaurant, with a bunch of premies, and I felt bad about my "bad thoughts. If she had such a strict ALL NATURAL DIET, what was she doing eating in "regular restaurant? So much work for what? Do you see my point? I thought, what a hypocrat, liars. By then, lilas was a bad word. That was in Lansing, Michigan.  Premies began to ask me "Axis", are you okay? My face showed what I was feeling, confusion, fear because what I saw was not good. A short while after I got sick, I wanted to puque. I couldn't tell anybody what I was thinking, I kept it to myself. Those close to me knew that I had gotten sick, and blamed the whole thing to the effect that I had found a Bible in the Hotel's bathroom and insinuated that I SHOULD have NOT READ IT. Reading this very special part DID NOT amke me sick, but seeing the truth. I WAS IN A NEGATIVE CULT where lies ruled and I was afraid of the "rotten vegetables promised by m!  This same strange "episode" had happened before, in Miami and the Bible was to blame also. By the way, I had a short talk with the instructor, in her room, a while before I got sick, she was sweet, she told me "sweet" things, in a very sincere way. In those days my family doctor had made some blood tests and I needed other ones because it seemed I probably had cancer. Thank God I didn;t at the end. She told me take good care of yourself. Nice, nice lady, another "victim". I understand now what happened to me and see how much my loved ones suffered because they thought I was going to die after returning from that trip, I wanted to die. I explained bits about that, is in the archives. I'm crying as I type and the tears are so very sweet, What is TRUE is so liberating.  My growth was arrested. I find myself being in my 50s and having to fight each second that negativity from trapping me. So far, I'm winning.I AM NOT A VICTIM! I am a survivor, a "soldier" of the TRUTH that sustains the DIVINE/PRECIOUS incredible Universe we are part of, of that "mystery" that rules the WHOLE UNIVERSE with its divine laws! Perhaps my children some day read these pages and get to understand themselves better what happened to them. I have two children. Two to take care for. The ones who know who I am and now a bit about my private life, understand. Two to take care of. To experience Dissasociation is a terrible thing we all have it in my family. Sure, m will not recognise his mistakes for fears of lawsuits. I threaten him in the past here with suing him and even told him that I hated him. I don't hate m anymore, which it doesn't mean I approve what he does, but the opposite, as you can see, but the feelings change and now, I'm watching. I felt so cheated. His transgrations are so great/large, huge.  I am the one that had to look at "my children" and gathered the energy to care for them. Nobody else was there, but me. At the end of my "virtual dialogues" with the liar, here, I did say, I only wanted an appology so I could heal. he is too "small: to do that, no pun intented. ~Axis~, peeling the onion and it feels like I reached a center and it feels very good.
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Axis,
I enjoy what you post, but I see lots of capital 'A''s scattered about your text. Am I the only one who sees them? Is it a browser issue ( Firefox )? Or Axis, do you write your text in Word or some other text program, then copy it into your browser? I'd like to read your posts without this distraction!
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At first I thought they were part of the writing, some sort of smiley or shortcut I didn't understand! Great posts, though.
Modified by Premie_Spouse at Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 11:35:09
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Gosh, the font's color is too soft, sorry. What was I thinking? The color black is hard on my eyes and now, how can you read it? I would like to be able to edit my post to change it. Sorry about that. Can you see those characters in my post above? Yeasterday I could see them myself while editing my post, but now, I looked and I don't see the characters anymore. There were some problems in my PC but I thought they were corrected. Can you both see them? It must be a "lila", of course, I am simply joking. Anyway, please let me know. Thanks, ~Axis~Â
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Here is what I see:
Gosh, the font's color is too soft, sorry. What was I thinking? The color black is hard on my eyes and now, how can you read it? I would like to be able to edit my post to change it. Sorry about that. Can you see those characters in my post above? Yeasterday
I could see them myself while editing my post, but now, I looked and I
don't see the characters anymore. There were some problems in my PC
but I thought they were corrected. Can you both see them? It must be a "lila", of course, I am simply joking. Anyway, please let me know.
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Do you know why I'm seeing in SOME posts strange character and in others all is fine? Thanks.
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Please, delete that post above, I copied...I will post it when I fix my pc. I got your e-mail, did you see in my e-mail the same characters? If the answer is yes, I will not e-mail you until I can fix the problem.  I will not post until I can "purify" my PC. Thanks! You better run your software John, I may have passed a virus to your PC. I have to contact the offices of my security program.  I clean the virus and it replicates.  I'm sure they will help me. ~Axis~
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Have you sent it?I doubt that your problem is related to a virus, but don't worry about sending me emails - all are checked for viruses before they get within a few thousand miles of my computer. John.
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Do you for how long my PC worked well and all in a suddle, after the virus sent to me by a fake e-mail got it, I just cannot get it. I haven't gotten an answer yet. Johnino.  Som what is it, expert?
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Axis,I'm not saying you don't have a virus, but the extra A's may not be a symptom. One person has suggested that your problem is caused by the character encoding you are using which appears to be Unicode (UTF-8) while Western is probably the default for everybody else. Firefox and Explorer can be set to automatically detect the character encoding and that removes the spurious characters. John.
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You might want to check which keyboard language you have your operating system set at. You can figure out how to do this by using your help files for windows. I think there are options for multi-language support.
Modified by Cynthia at Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 04:50:14
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For those who don't know about Charanand, do a google search, using this earlier spelling. You might also add one or two of these search words : "open letter", Valerio, Jagdeo.
Modified by Grapevine at Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 09:58:17
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Thanks for the search hint--it led to an old post with part of the answer to my question about changes to the techniques: M made changes just to keep us off balance, to keep us from thinking. Just go with the flow, trust the LOTUs feet. Chuck
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It's no secret here that I'm no fan of his to say the very least. I'd just love to see him face to face some day and give him a real piece of my mind. As far as I'm concerned he's nothing but a lying, hypocritical creepy crawler. I can't believe the amount of credibility he's always been given by premies and that he was once touted about as "the realized soul' of Rawat's entourage. What a joke. Also, who the heck pays for this grown man's support, anyway? Has he ever worked an honest day in his life? Ah, just had to add that. Sigh...now I feel better. Thanks. 
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learning English. I have to answer the post where you said I'm losing patience with you". What are you going to do, spunk me virtually or send me a lot of hate? I send you love to you and Tom, my friend. I desire for you and all those whom you love HEALTH, PEACE and LOVE. And if you are from other planet, please, disregard my posts.
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"Mahatma Ji's become a musician" is short for "Mahatma Ji has become a musician".John the English teacher
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thxs How can one learn? LOL and then,  I am accussed of acting like JILL. LOL One of my friends began to talk about a nursery rhyme and I began to laugh hysterically! GOD knows all and has so much humor...LOVE IT.. It must be the culture.....ROTFL people want to spank me, oh no, they have lost patience for poor AXIS>.......(((((JHB))))) People in the South would say: Que aprendan o que revienten...some never learn... I did, thanks GOD/DIOS
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I have to answer the post where you said I'm losing patience with you". What are you going to do, spunk me virtually or send me a lot of hate? I send you love to you and Tom, my friend. Axis! I don't know why you said that because I don't hate you, I care about you. My goodness, I don't know where that came from. You were voicing an opinion and I was voicing mine, and you weren't understanding my opinion. Anyway, don't you ever lose patience with someone and then later you regain your patience and all is well again? I admit I was too abrupt or harsh, and that wasn't very nice, so I'm sorry for that. Plus, that was before I figured out who you are, lady!  I'm sorry to hear your mother is so ill. I don't pray, but I send her my warm thoughts and love -- and that goes for you too, because this is such a difficult time for you. Don't forget to take care of yourself, Axis. Caregiving is stressful and hard, so be kind to yourself when you can and try to rest, too. Regarding "became": I used a conjuction "He's (he has) become" so the become was correct. I could have written "He became" and left out the conjunction. That's your grammar lesson for today.  Really, please take good care of yourself, you deserve it. Love, Cynthia, definitely on planet earth...
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Thanks for your kind words. Using the word hate was extreme, maybe. do you get a feeling at times when you read posts? I am taking very good care of myself, and thank you again for your kindness and your warm feeling for my mom and me. VERY much appreciated. Good, can you imagine if we were from somewhere else? Then, we can get in trouble when we leave Earth. DOORS CLOSED, please return to EARTH. 
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Thanks for understanding. I was probably too stressed out that day to be posting. C
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Hi Dave , Sall, you doing anything next Saturday? We are having a ‘bit of a do’ and would like to invite a few people round for drinks, dinner and ..er…also to ‘see a couple of DVDs’ featuring some talks about (the purpose of ) life by an (guru) inspirational speaker called (Maharaji) Prem Rawat, We are really excited because we have got this wonderful old (mahatma) Indian guy coming around as well called Charanand who knows Prem Rawat really well.
‘So what’s that all about then?’ ..Positive thinking …eh ?
‘Oh no…nothing that like. He’s more of a ……. Its about enjoying life and finding peace within.
Oh ..get it,,, meditation then …..Is he like the Maharashi?..the Giro , Miragoo…what was it?
Oh no ..he is just like this really beautiful teacher. It is an experience and …..I can’t really explain but ..well I just really enjoy and benefit from it. But he can explain it really well ….the DVDs are so inspiring. So how long you been into that then? Is that why you are a veggie? Oh more than 30 years …but no you don’t need to be a veggie. I just prefer that. He just teaches you these special techniques that help you to go inside and get to that really quiet place Do you have to do anything or pay anything then to get this…what is it..? Oh no! ..it is completely free.. You don’t need to pay anything or change anything. He says that you can be anything and practice any lifestyle or religion and practise his ‘Knowledge’ …Just a way of finding peace and happiness within…It is completely natural…. in fact it is the most natural thing.
OK…..so not one of those new age religions then .?.
Oh no ...definitely not a religion ….nothing like that. Religions are all about what happens after death and this is about life. ..fulfillment. The DVDs will really help to explain it best Good…I was beginning to worry that you might have turned into a Moonie or something ...you know dependent some crazy cult guy.
Oh no ..it really is absolutely nothing like a cult! In fact it’s the complete opposite. Maharaji says it much better than I could…but it is really all about freedom and individuality. He emphasises how it is all about each individual. It’s a completely individual experience ..er He explains it best (He gives us each this real personal experience and relationship with him as individuals! We come to him alone…just as we are) ..so nothing like that! Its just so… really mellow and beautiful…Maharaji just says that everyone needs to feel peace in their lives….and that he has simply comes (into this world) with this gift to help people…to remind people of something very simple. at least I find him very inspiring.. thats all…..(and it is absolutely the most important thing in my life) But I still live a completely normal life you know and quite often have dinner parties. That’s what he now makes possible (by his grace)….Oh BTW Maharaji is another name for Prem Rawat that we (premies) like to call him
Good. .. So Hey anyway …I heard you took your hols out in Australia a few weeks back…and Barcelona as well was it? Anyway Great isn’t it? Did you get down to Tasmania, Ayer’s Rock or out on the Reef at all? Brilliant Scuba. How long were you out there for?
Er ..just over a week..
Sheesh ..only a week! …took us a week to get over the jet lag. Still..Brisbane did you say? At least you got out to one of the cays then ? Superb boat trips..and very reasonable
Er ..no it was more of a conference.
Oh just work then?! amazing…anything outside of Slough is a treat where I work.
Er ..no…it was just a really special event….we were so lucky..an opportunity to meet Prem Rawat… in person…It was really great. He was just so ..er inspiring.
Wow..all the way to Australia just to see him? Is that where he lives then?
No he has a sort of retreat there ..Its really amazing. But he travels all around…He really works hard to spread his message. He was even here with us in Brighton this year. We are really lucky. He even comes here most years. So you got to stay in his retreat. Really nice apartments and hotels up on the Gold Coast that are dead cheap (given the exchange rate). Anyway must have been something ..how did he welcome you after that sort of a journey?
Well ..no it was just these tents…but we hired one of the super luxury jobs. They are just so perfect.
Oh I see …bit of a back to nature thing then. Must say didn't have you down for that. Not too many mozzies and snakes I hope! So you all just got to chat with him around the campfire and that then? Is that how he does his teaching stuff and gets to meets up with you all? Is he nice?
Not exactly no…there were a lot of people there . didn’t exactly get to meet him. ...not exactly chat..... But he is just so kind…(nd his message so personal to each one of us somehow..he came to the camp site every day and just gave me so much. He just gives and gives…
Oh…err ..so he came to Brighton and you went to Australia...So OK anyway so you had a bit of a holiday in Spain this year then? Did you get into the mountains at all out of Barca or down to any of the Catalan villages on the coast.? We went last year..
No ..not this year ..Er …it was another conference….Prem Rawat gave this really beautiful talk there. It was really special and..
Look ..nice running into you ..but ..have just remembered.. must dash (help anywhere).
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Very clever.........but I figure you're just quoting the cringe-making conversations you used to have ( when you could face doing propagation). Funny coincidence ....my premie propaganda coversations were somewhat similar. My most difficult to explain programme was going to Hong Kong for 3 days (and NOT going shopping).
Modified by lexy at Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 18:34:24
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It's so true and so sad. When Rawat did a program in Brighton in the early 80s and said that propagation was his responsibility, and that we needn't worry about it I took that to mean I didn't have to tell anyone about him anymore, so until I started posting on the forums I pretty much didn't.My advice to him is to let it all hang out and tell the premies to announce to the world that the Lord has come, he is revealing God, and woe to anyone who doesn't recognise Him! People will still think premies are crazy but at least the message is simple and has an inner rational consistency, which the current message so obviously lacks. John
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He would be believed or else be considered off his eccentric rocker. But now his dealings have a more sinister, scheming and dishonest ring to them. But unfortunately for him, he can't turn back now, and decide to take up the old: "I am 'God'" routine again. You can't decide to be 'God' and not 'God' whenever you feel like it and expect everybody to believe you. They contradict one another. And if we consider we all, collectively, might be somehow 'That'. And if that were the take, he would be the same as us anyway, hence with no mission.
No, he is just as hell bent on proclaiming that we are not 'God' as he is hell bent on declaring that he is/isn't/might be. (Or just confused?)
Not only is/was he not holy enough but now he is/will be too silly to be 'God', and too confused or corrupt to be of any practical use to the human race whatsoever.
Lp
Modified by Saph at Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 07:15:52
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My advice to him is to let it all hang out and tell the premies to announce to the world that the Lord has come, he is revealing God, and woe to anyone who doesn't recognise Him! He isn't really God?
Modified by Cynthia at Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 07:55:56
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.......you've got the gift alright, & it isn't one the Great Motivational Teacher gave you either.
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