It's very convenient that all the Ex'es are 'unlit matches', so we couldn't have made it in the first place - even after decades of sincere devotion and commitment. Any struggling 'lit matches' should just listen some more, go inside, listen to their heart, meditate etc. - so any problems are not M's fault.

But who, ultimately, is in charge of it all? M is. In any large organisation, ultimately the buck stops with the CEO. But as EV isn't really an organisation - it's a cult - M. is not accountable to anyone. If this had been a real life job, he would have been fired years ago! Especially for failing to reach targets!

I think another big mistake on M's part is that there is no support for premies. He's just too busy taking care of himself. If a premie is thinking of leaving M&K, what has M done, in a practical way, to prevent this, or help the premie? Nothing! If a premie is struggling, there is nowhere s/he can turn to for guidance, support, or to have questions answered. And questions are discouraged. When I first read EPO, which was the start of my ex'ing process, I really needed to talk to someone. Someone in EV, or an instructor, in fact anyone who could help me deal with the revelations on EPO. But nothing had been put in place by EV. So I turned to F8 instead!

And it was so good to be able to read open and honest discussions, about all aspects of M&K and EV etc. This is why I love reading F8. We can have these discussions - which is something premies can't do.

I think that M's behaviour has been hugely counterproductive to his goals. If he'd been honest and open, instead of all the secrecy and lies, there would have been far less to discuss here on F8.