Well, since you mention me.
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Joe ®

05/12/2005, 11:53:45
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Since you mention my name in your post, I thought I would mention a couple of things. 

First of all, I doubt you have any idea how I actually feel, and I, for one, do not value or believe in reason over feeling.  Both are part of a full human existence, add to the color and texture of life, and unlike what Rawat teaches, they are not, in my experience separate, completely divorced ways of consciousness or perception.  That's what Rawat teaches and most premies have internalized so completely that they never question it, this duality (heart v. mind, feeling v. thought, external v. internal, illusion v. truth, fleeting v. constant, who you really are v. who you think you are, etc., etc., you could go on and on, and it's just basically Hindu dualism, and it's something I reject). 

But there is nothing wrong with a nice feeling. The problem I have with Rawat is how he adds a false belief system to a feeling.  In my experience, what happens in Rawatism is that people have some kind of nice experience and then he puts labels on it, like Rawat does everytime he talks.  So, you get high at an event with Rawat, or you feel "connectedness" and conclude that's due to "knowledge" and ultimately to Rawat.  That's the problem, because I think many of us found out he really has nothing to do with those feelings.

The other big lie is that the "feeling," the "peace" the internal experience is constant, but of course it isn't constant at all.  The cult ideology is that it's the primordial, constant, real thing, and it's just that we can't access it all the time.  The theory is that these meditation techniques let you access it, but of course it doesn't work all the time, does it?  Most people hardly ever "access" the experience, don't do the techniques all that much, and if they do, they may or may not have some kind of "nice experience" that they call "knowledge."  The only way to get around this problem is to blame yourself, your mind, or something other than either knowledge or Rawat.  But in reality "the experience" is NOT always there, it's just there sometimes,  when the conditions might be right, mostly that you believe or have faith or get a group high, or whatever.

Look, I practiced knowledge as Rawat said for 10 years and although I had some nice experiences, got group highs at events, had some high experiences in meditation and in satang, etc., it was the dualistic bullshit that got so unpleasant, and dysfunctional that I left, and what I discovered is that the good stuff did not end, and I became a lot freer from the mindset of Rawat that I grew a lot more, and life got much more integrated and real.

Now, I'm willing to say that people are free to believe and do whatever they want, and whatever floats your boat, great.  I think the problems we ex-premies have is when people then put universal, belief system labels on it and start peddling it to other people.  That's the problem.  That, and lying about Rawat's statements, actions, claims to be God, demands for surrender and devotion, and that kind of stuff.  That's what upsets ex-premies, not that you believe in it, or like it, or that we have rejected "feeling" or such nonsense.






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