Hi Cynthia, Thanks for that.I understand quite a bit about her need to belong and free herself..as she would see it.It's cost me best part of 3 years of my life and extensive counselling to surface from the pain and confusion.I'm glad you are having results with the forum,just not my style of doing things I guess. I am much more inclined to protest and demonstrate by nature, but I have realised that no ex premie's feel the same, much to my surprise.I have accepted that now and in general have a passing interest in seeing what develops, hence my prescence on here.I spent many months researching many of the sites you mentioned and even launched my own website,which I was asked to remove by various ex premies as it was too controversial.Anyway I will drop in from time to time to see whats cooking.Thanks again for your thoughts.