We have have total responsibility for our intiial choice, the guru's have total responsdibility for the mind fuck manipulations.

But overall I'd weigh on the side of the devotees responsibility.

For myself I find the acceptance of naivete on our parts is way too easy a get out.

And you know why, no devotees, no guru, no guru career.

Gurus would not survive long without idiots like us, full stop.