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The following statement from TPRF was recently brought to my attention: ____________________ "Recently, The Prem Rawat Foundation (TPRF) staff responded to the question below from a large foundation considering TPRF for a grant. We think it would be a question of general interest to all TPRF’s supporters, and so we are passing it on to you.
What distinguishes your organization's work from other organizations in the field?
While TPRF is a relatively small foundation, it enjoys worldwide support from people in 50 countries because of the nature of the founder’s international work..." ____________________ TPRF's answer to the question in its statement went on for several paragraphs in a similar tone in support of the good works of TPRF. Apparently, TPRF is being considered as a recipient of another foundation's grant money. Is the other foundation fully aware of TPRF's "dual purpose" and the history of TPRF's namesake? Also, my understanding is that organizations with grant money available typically invite organizations to apply for grants and typically do not go out looking for organizations to grant money to. That leads me to suspect that TPRF applied for the grant. If so, then apparently TPRF no longer gets enough donations from "worldwide support from people in 50 countries" premies. And if so, then why can't TPRF simply state that it applied for a grant and this is one of the questions in the application instead of obfuscating much less clearly stating that it is being considered for a grant... even as Rawat prattled on and on (and on) about how good "clarity" feels? I have to stop now because this could easily cascade into an avalanche.
Modified by lakeshore at Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 09:24:48
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If it's "a large foundation" why don't they name it?
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Good question. I checked the statement again and there was no mention of it. Then I checked the TPRF website, irksome as it was, and couldn't even find the statement. This statement was apparently distributed (privately via the PWK only network?) to premie communities for further distribution via premie community mailing lists -- no surprise. Clearly they are confident that premies will never ask questions that have anything to do with transparency and accountability. __________________________________________________________ After all this, the blizzard two weeks ago and all the snow still lingering, we still have muddy season to look forward to! We think of you often and hope you are well and doing your best to cope with winter and get on as best you can. I see flowers blossoming all around your home soon! My sporadic posting lately and return to life without a hint of the cult is largely due to the healing and recovery that you made possible. Love to you! Bob
Modified by lakeshore at Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 10:50:50
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Perhaps because if they did name this large foundation, this large foundation would hear a whole lot of stuff from people here….remember some of the previous incidents with the college in Miami and the rawat tapes being played on the airlines? I don't think prem would enjoy that kind of truth-telling again…it could also get some premies thinking about stuff again…doubts…not so good….
Modified by La-ex at Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 21:38:27
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neither of us have heard about the Miami college episode and the rawat tapes being played on the airlines. I can only imagine... a scheme to play rawat cassettes a bit loud so captive passengers can overhear "satsang?" Vintage 1979 satsang room brainstorming about how to "propagate" Knowledge! Our's was "satsang in the park." I apologize for the bullhorn I wielded to direct casual park loungers to gather under a certain tree... on a perfectly sunny Sunday morning! "May I have your attention please!" Anyway, curious about the episode.
Modified by lakeshore at Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 17:38:51
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these incidents were awhile ago and I think Jim Heller was instrumental in both of them, in informing college officials and the airline employers of the fact that they were being "played" by rawat's minions......
briefly, the Miami college incident happened after a miami premie program, and the next day hundreds of premies flooded the campus for the program, giving the illusion that the college students were attending in high numbers, which they weren't....afterwards some ex-premies called them up and explained how rawat had used them, which it turns out, they were somewhat aware of, but couldn't quite figure it out until the exes explained it to them...
with the airlines, I think it was an airline that went from the west coast of the US to Australia, and I believe some short rawat sermons along with music were on the headsets along with other info-mercials.....I can't remember fully, but it ended as soon as they found out the whole story, from exes....
Jim Heller and possibly some others could explain more, if they remember...
Modified by la-ex at Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 11:00:54
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Thanks LA-ex. I was curious because it caused me to reminisce about so many propagation schemes we cooked up in those days, literally all of them (except for honest, straight forward invitations to legitimate programs) involving some form or disingenuous infiltration or masquerading. I admit, we would have been proud of cooking up that college scheme. How they managed to infiltrate a commercial airliner's on-board sound system is a mystery. I give them a A+ for that one. Must've been an inside job. That was about the only thing we had going for us: youthful creativity and pride in our chicanery in the name of the Lord. Apparently, the current old timers never outgrew it as it continues on a much larger scale.
Modified by lakeshore at Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 08:49:47
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This is VERY interesting...mainly to know that Prem is not getting enough from the donors. Good sign. Perhaps he's currently financially prohibited from upgrading his plane or whatever new thing(s) he MUST have. I imagine there's a lot of Prem foot-stomping directed at the major donor honchos. (My former username here was In the Closet and then it was Out of the Closet.)
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And it's trademarked, too.
Modified by eDrek at Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 23:02:52
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My first thought about why the organization wasn't named is that the "organization" is probably a group of major donors who founded an organization for the purpose of doling out a grant to TPRF -- another one of those "incestuous" premie business gambits. I think those are the types of schemes they sit around cooking up -- perhaps a more efficient way to give from a tax perspective. My understanding is that TPRF lacks the logistical machinery to dig wells and cook and distribute food. Instead it partners with other organizations equipped for those activities for the purpose of name dropping in glossy self-promoting PR releases. So why would an organization partner with an organization that only partners? It doesn't make sense: "We'll grant you money to grant to other organizations." Really just an example of how cynical I've become after being played for a fool from all angles and directions from all things having to do with that cult. Nice to see you back (and) Happy Being Free! 
Modified by lakeshore at Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 06:25:23
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Thank you, Lakeshore, for the welcome back. I never left, actually. I just had problems posting. What happened with the Miami college with and Rawat tapes played on airlines and exes exposing the fraud?
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yes, I remember you were wondering whether to tell your friends that you were an exited premie or not.
No matter what I don't think anyone wants to get back in a closet once they've broken free. At bedrock it just feels better doesn't it.
yeah, those poor old major donors. But I bet there's fundraising going on at every level - leave no stone unturned however much they need the money Prem Rawat needs it more.
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Wow, Lesley, you have a good memory. That was a few years ago. I outed myself shortly after I was all worried about it. When the next event was announced within driving distance, of course, the premies were saying, "Why aren't you going?" I outed myself then. There was no way I could or wanted to fake it. It's kind of crazy to feel embarrassed to them. They are the ones who reallly should feel embarrassed, but, of course, their thorough brainwashing prevents them from knowing that.
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