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02/01/2024, 21:30:31
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"My perspective is this. I was only 13 when I became a premie. All the charisma was the other followers for me, not the Guru. Well before I ever saw Prem Rawat on stage, I was told a lot by others about who Guru Maharaj Ji (GMJ) was. There was a giant altar with gilded large photo of him and an empty chair for him at every satsang.  I saw him as I was set up to see him. I was also very young, and a magical thinker who loved the Chronicles of Narnia. To me, how I remember it, I felt initially I had walked through the wardrobe.  The other premies treated me so special, and I felt loved, and I felt the whole thing was magic. So he didn’t need personal charisma because there was an incredible amount of the power of suggestion and an imprint of his image and what it meant before I ever saw him. There were magazines with his photos, and videos, shown to “aspirants” or people who want to be initiated or “receive Knowledge”. We were told Knowledge would be a direct experience of God. Proof of God. We also were introduced to the idea of “mind”- mind is your thoughts, and especially your doubts, and mind, was called “mr. Mind” and frankly it was like the devil inside you that would fight the “truth” or your “heart”. So very early, before one even met the mahatma, the idea that your own thoughts, especially doubts or negative thoughts, was introduced. My personal opinion is this separated you from your conscience, your common sense, and most premies, who would quite naturally have doubts, were taught that their doubts, gut instinct, and conscience was an outside force of evil.  Mind isn’t you, it’s an outside force trying to keep you from “realizing Knowledge” and “surrendering”. I fell for this, hook line and sinker. And boy did I have doubts, and those doubts, were set up by the dogma, to believe myself to be a bad premie indeed.

In January 1975, Mahatma Jagdeo came through Miami to hold a Knowledge session (initiation) the first step was a Knowlesge selection. Watch the tvtv documentary, Lord of the Universe, for others experience of the selection. At my selection, Mahatma Jagdeo sat in a chair, with little girls with flowers in their hair, at his feet, looking out beside him. Jagdeo didn’t have “charisma”- he was kind of scary, like the hell fire and damnation Mahatma. But I was already hooked. So as much as the man scared me, I blamed my mind for thinking he was mean. Mahatma Ji  asked very scary questions such as “would you cut of your head or arm for guru Maharaj ji” only the people who said yes, were selected, the others were deemed to be not ready. Confirmation bias much?

I overheard, that the ashram was unsuitable for the Knowledge session, as Mahatma Ji needed his own bathroom as part of the session. Given the decapitation questions, I wondered if that was why he requires his own bathroom. Would we be decapitated and knowledge inserted and then be some sort of zombie? I still went. I was already convinced that GMJ and knowledge were magic like Aslan and Narnia. And as much as I considered running I didn’t. And when I was shown the meditation, “recieved Knowledge” I thought - this doesn’t prove there is God! This doesn’t prove GMJ is anything. But I was already convinced that was my Mind and I was a bad premie, with doubts. So any thoughts like that were not proof the emporer had no clothes, but that I was filled with “mind” and bad.  I was already, a bad premie. I didn’t really consider he was a fake. I was already that entrenched. 

When I first saw GMJ in person, it was a Holi festival,March 1975 in Miami, and somewhat small, a few hundred premies? In Miami. He sprayed colored water( it’s a real Hindu festival) is was fun. The water smelled good- being 13, this playful festival just felt fun. So I had a nice experience of meeting him. Later there was a satsang at the Miami Edison high school auditorium. Not a huge venue. He seemed nice on stage, his beautiful wife, Durga Ji, who looked to me like an angel, sat at his feet, holding her 3 week old baby daughter Premlata. The only weird doubt I had, was the community bought Premlata pierced diamond earrings. I was upset that the little baby would have pierced ears. That would hurt! But again, my mind. I loved babies, and I don’t doubt, for me - the angelic wife and little baby-were part of cementing my love for the guru. 

Later. In the next four years, sometimes Prem would yell at the premies for how ungrateful or bad we were. By then, there was never a doubt. I was bad. I deserved it. Also, he had more babies and they played on the stage. I put the photos of the babies and GMJ and wife Durga ji all over my walls. Just as I had Donny Osmond or Michael Jackson or Partridge family in the year prior to the cult. 

We went through the line to kiss his feet, I think I sometimes felt “bliss” but more I remember feeling I was bad, because I thought he looked bored, even contemptuous, and didn’t know who I was. That was mind. "

This is edited. But she said there was a part she might use. I made her promise to fix my grammar and typos!











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