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05/11/2017, 10:51:22
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Hey Rawather,

You dug into this, I appreciate your interest and enjoy the errant challenges.  By some of your responses, I do think you
have some things taken out of context, and maybe some misinterpretations of
what I have written as well as my underlying feelings. 
And it’s tough getting on the same page reading snippets of
communication, always much better talking in person (maybe there is a way we
could connect on email?). And I am about to have a couple of weeks of
planes, trains and automobiles, and will likely fade away from the Forum for a
spell (Lesley and Cynthia may be
relieved to hear).

I think the real punchline in what I express here is about decoupling self-exploration
from premiedom.  I think that what
happened to so many of us during that time was very powerful, and while I
acknowledge a positive side, it produced some deeply-held emotionally-laden
inner conflicts, even ‘traumatic’. The interesting “Narcissistic Victim
Syndrome’ article and thread that Jasper brought in below is about PTSD at the
hands of narcissists like GMJ, and also discusses just how deeply-held this phenomena
can be, the dramatic effects of it and the difficulty in diagnosis and treatment.  This Forum serves a purpose to help decouple
us from the drivers of negative psychological effects, starting by pointing out
the bullshit.  When you can see something
clearly, you can deal with it more effectively. 
If you cannot clearly recognize how emotions are linked to memories and
ideas, the process of getting
healthy is a little murkier. 

Generally, I see health as keeping things flowing and in balance, and pathology as things
blocking up.  Blood flowing is good (not
too much, not too little), digestive movement is good (not too fast, not too
slow), and so forth.  Things get blocked,
health deteriorates, too much blockage, we die. 
The same thing with our ‘psycho-emotional’ body; and traumas, both major
and minor are like blockages, affecting things downstream and throwing things
out of whack.

I tend to feel that if someone really understands something, they can articulate
it.  But in dealing with the subjective
nature of our inner stuff, combined with the poor vocabulary available in the
English language (a particularly anemic language for inner workings),
communicating this stuff gets mostly lost on translation.  What is was trying to describe in my last
post if my level-best attempt at describing what I understand.  What I refer to as ‘brain mapping’ has added
to the available semantics, and provided some color for me when I come across
stuff that is locked into my psycho-emotional ecosystem that is not only
uncomfortable, but driving my behavior without me really seeing it when it
happens.  My own path has a lot to do
with trying root out the crap still stuck to my pipes and blocking the natural flow.  But to scrape off the crap, you first have to see it, know where it is and get at it.  Whatever can aid precision in ‘getting at’
this stuff I think is helpful.

Brain mapping is based on biology, particularly neuroscience: the circuitry, the
chemical makeup of neurotransmitters, the brain’s interface with sensation and
feeling, the electromagnetic impulses inherent in experience, etc etc etc.  Really the biology of our experience: what is
physically happening when we smell a rose (like the 45 +/- molecules that lodge
in the cilia of our olfactory gland within a certain fraction of a second that
are strong enough to prompt a neurological response that goes from here to here,
and then to there, and so forth) while we are ‘smelling’ the rose.  Brain mapping is not just generalities
regarding the part of the brain where certain stuff is stored and processed.   Without looking at the chicken/egg side of
this, I am using the words ‘brain mapping’ to describe the concurrent physical,
observable side of everything that occurs in consciousness.  There is no body separate from mind.  There is the ‘bodymind’. 

My "urge" thang could also be seen as a redux of a portion of the four noble
truths of Buddhism, paraphrased: 1. There is suffering, 2. Suffering comes from
‘wanting’ (craving, desire, similar words), 3. If you get rid of wanting, you
thus get rid of suffering, and 4. There is a way to do that (‘Buddhism’).  In a way, I’ve just replaced ‘wanting’ (and
the other available words) with the sense of ‘urge’.  And I do not think of this ‘urge’ as being
something negative, just acknowledging its existence, but also see how respite
from this most basic ‘urge’ can bring relief, even if temporary, and even
bliss.

Here are a few other comments in response to what you have written.

I try to avoid spiritual and religious jargon (towards a ‘holistic’ perspective).

I use the ‘seen’ aspect as an example for any form of perception.

I don't disagree that emotion is the important driver, and is actually the key
focus in my studies.

I'm not seeing ‘wet taps’ on the horizon any time soon, but I still see study,
discrimination and analysis as a valuable tool to understand our psychological
makeup.

What I experience in meditation is far more than the effect of resting, which I am
also well-acquainted with.

My rant about the nature of what is selfless was trying to dig into underlying
mechanics of popular thought on the subject. 

One interesting thing about the Forum for me is that it is a way for me to put my
thoughts out there to some really smart folks, sometimes getting my ass handed
to me and sometimes getting more insightful input.  If I don’t put it out there, I don’t get
corrected.

Another thing, I'm curious about who is reading this stuff.  Like when viewership goes over 200 on a particular
post, and maybe only 10 people chime in.  Like,
who are those readers?  I’d love to see
what all of those folks have to say. 
Maybe they are just smarter than us here rolling around on the ground; them
eye-rolling, shaking their heads and murmuring “poor things”??

M







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