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04/23/2006, 06:59:22
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For the record, some new or completely unknown user on Wikipedia added a huge section to the Criticism of Prem Rawat about Marianne Bachers which, btw, is much too bloated, totally bias, incorrect, and was added rudely, without comment or discusison with other editors.  Jossi Fresco, who is mentioned in the lawsuit documents, wrote on Jim Heller's Wiki talk page (link and text below),  "M. Bachers failed lawsuit," in response to Jim's mention of the suit on the Prem Rawat talk page.  It continues to amaze me that Prem Rawat can't be criticized, and it also amazes me to watch the extent that premies will go to in order to try to slap people who are critical of him.

Marianne won her lawsuit.  The public documents tell the truth.

In February 2004, Marianne Bachers [30] an employee of the State of California Public Defender’s Office[31] and according to sworn court papers one of the central organizers of the Ex-Premie organization[32], filed a “John Doe” defamation complaint in the Superior Court of California [33]. The Complaint centered on allegations on www.one-reality.net that Bachers was actively harassing and “cyberstalking” Maharaji’s students. By filing a libel suit against allegedly unknown “John Does,” Bachers used the discovery methods in litigation to issue subpoenas to interrogate Prem Rawat’s students ostensibly about the identity of the webmaster of that page. Legal commentators have decried the use of such tactics as antithetical to free speech and the First Amendment[34] According to court papers, Bachers never wrote to the webmaster of www.one-reality.net and never demanded that he remove the posting. Bachers’ court papers say that she tried and failed to obtain personal information about various people by issuing subpoenas to various Internet Service Providers and web hosting companies. Bachers kept secret from her chat-room that she had filed the Complaint and was seeking to depose a wide range of Rawat’s students.

According to court documents, in May of 2005, Geoff Staker, a resident of Japan came forward and told the Court that he was the webmaster of [ http://www.one-reality.net ]www.one-reality.net and was solely responsible for the material at issue. Staker also filed a Notice to Strike under California’s Anti-[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP ]SLAPP Law. Staker’s legal papers argued that Bacher’s libel complaint was designed to use the discovery process as a method of harassment, one of the methods of attacking First Amendment rights raised by experts [35]. Although Bachers no longer needed to pursue discovery against unknown John Does, Bachers insisted that she had the right to continue to attempt to depose Maharaji’s students. One deponent, Carlos Harden, was granted a Protective Order by the Court from Bachers in terms of being questioned about his spiritual or religious beliefs [36]. Despite that Protective Order, Bachers’ lawyers interrogated Harden for six hours in the face of more than 30 objections.

Although Bachers would later claim in an April 2006 internet posting to have been granted the right to depose various students of Prem Rawat, in May 2005 [37] based on her legal tactics in the Harden deposition, the Court expressly denied Bachers’ request to pursue any discovery pending the substantive outcome of Staker’s SLAPP motion.

In October 2005, the lower court denied Staker’s motion Without Opinion, automatically rendering the matter for adjudication by the appellate court, under California’s First Amendment case law. According to court documents, had the case proceeded after appeal, Staker was prepared to prove that: the statements about Bachers were true; that her Complaint was invalid for Statute_of_limitations reasons; that his statements were constitutionally-protected opinion; and that as a limited-purpose public figure, Bachers could not prove “actual malice” as required by the First Amendment. Instead of pressing her case, Bachers asked for the matter to be mediated, and the two parties reached an agreement[38]. On April 20, 2006, Bachers withdrew the Complaint and Staker withdrew his appeal. The two are barred from discussing each other further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Prem_Rawat#_note-37

Jossi Fresco, who is mentioned in the lawsuit documents,  up on Jim Heller's Wiki talk page:  "M. Bachers failed litigation," in response to Jim's mention of the suit on the Prem Rawat talk page.  I know, it can seem complicated, but it's really not once one gets used to the Wiki software and technical stuff. 

M. Bacher's failed lawsuit

Before you make any comments about Bacher's failed lawsuit, it would be a good idea you talk to her about it. Ask her about it before you put your foot in your mouth. There was no such "involvement" on my part, just her failed attempt to go on a "fishing expedition", maybe because I edit Wikipedia and I am visible, that's all I guess. You will have to ask her for her reasons. Note that I will not respond to any more comments about this, so consider this to be my last comment. If you want to add stuff from the public records of her failed lawsuit to the article, just make sure that you stick to the facts, basically that undeniably she gave up her futile quest and that she did not obtain any legal redress for the alleged defamation. ≈ jossi ≈ t@ 05:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)






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"alleged defamation"??? The admission of libel proves otherwise.
Re: White isn't white, it's black, Marianne and Wikipedia... -- Cynthia Top of thread Archive
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G ®

04/23/2006, 08:55:07
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Jossie is lying when he writes 'alleged defamation'. The definition of alleged from www.dictionary.com: "Represented as existing or as being as described but not so proved; supposed." The admission of libel from http://www.one-reality.net/ proves the defamation did happen:
In the past, I mistakenly
posted statements that attributed criminal conduct to Marianne
Bachers. I have since learned that these statements are false.
In other, more honest words, the owner of one-reality.net did make false defamatory statements against Marianne Bachers for which, of course, he had no evidence. Most people would call that lying. The spin here is pathetic. What's the excuse he's giving here, that he didn't do a criminal search to find out for an absolute fact, not just an almost certain fact, that his lies were lies? Or what, that he accidently typed in the statements on his keyboard? Or that he has Tourette's syndrome?

We all know these false statements were made, and here there's even an admission by one of the perpetrators. So indeed, the use of the word 'alleged' is a lie.

This new spin is a diversion from the embarrassing admission of libel and from the fact that the defamation did happen.

A new word for these characters: Rawatologists







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Maybe Wikipedia ought to be sued...
Re: "alleged defamation"??? The admission of libel proves otherwise. -- G Top of thread Archive
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04/23/2006, 09:55:07
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Just a speculation, but one has to wonder how this kind of smear-campaign could be allowed on Wiki without opening it up to liability.  But, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know.

Of course I know that the OR website is libelous and defammatory, my name is there.  That's not my point.  The point is that wiki gets high search engine results when one does a name search, and results include OR.  I'll tell you, just looking at that site causes me great emotional stress and even just knowing it exists causes me great emotional stress.

If someone goes in and deletes the whole wiki section about Marianne, it would just trigger an edit war and get more people blocked.

I also question the wisdom of posting the CAC link here again without first obtaining permission from all the parties named on that site.  The whole point is to get this defammation off of the internet, after all, but I wasn't named on CAC, so it's really up to the others.

It's curious, though, that Marianne's name is now missing from that CAC wayback archive, as well as Sir Dave's, must be a later version, but I can't tell.






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