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Steve ®

11/05/2005, 21:14:12
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Was Charanand the brains behind the throne, after the holy family (the family with all the holes in it) broke up? Or did Maharaji mess the whole thing up by himself?

Anyone know?






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paddy ®

11/05/2005, 22:09:37
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I don't pretend to have any inside info but I think Mahatma Gurucharanand was quite sincere when he said he was just the dust on the lotus Feet of Guru Maharaji (the elder or the younger).

In his recent book, David Lovejoy says that Gurucharanand was a carpenter before becoming a mahatma. While I know a carpenter who went on to start, build up and head a large and successful private company I don't think Gurucharand had that in him.

Most charismatic cult leaders have to work through a process to become a leader. This usually requires many years of experience in the field (for a significant example look at the elder Rawat's biography) before they can take over a cult at the death of their former leader or when they strike out on their own.

There is a very good reason why nepotism is frowned upon and is illegal in many large institutions. The children of very successful, creative leaders usually do not match the abilities of their parents. Young Rawat does not have the skills or charisma to have started a cult by himself and is not competent enough to have run DLM/EV successfully. One of the reasons I think he sincerely believes has is divine is that he has continued to attempt to run the show by his own ideas no matter how every new attempt at propagation has failed. Of course this is relative failure, he is an outrageous failure if his goal is to bring peace to the world through Rawatism but he is quite successful if his goal is to maximise his returns (financial and emotional) on the minimum energy output and face to face humiliation.

If he didn't believe in himself he might have used those of his followers who are far more intelligent, attractive and charismatic to do the work while maintaining the position of eminence grise.








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NikW ®

11/06/2005, 04:18:57
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Mishler made the initial transfer of the centre of power to Malibu possible - probably with the very best of intentions. The key mahatmas were Jagdeo and Sampuranand(sp?) - these were the guys who provided Prem with the affirmation of the religious certainty that what he was doing was right. Sampuranand ran Prem's Indian operation after the split and there are many rumours about his conduct which include - human trafficking in Nepalese girls - skimming mony from the then DUO (now RVK) and keeping his mistress in the ashram.

I agree with Paddy's assesment of Charnanand - a nice guy thrown into a situation that was quite beyond him - his main pleasure these days apparently is playing golf !

My take on the whole thing is there was never any grand plan simply a number of users who made the most of what they could get, being supported by a load of naieve, well meaning dozzos (me and thee).

Nik







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11/06/2005, 09:36:29
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I think your analysis is correct, Nik, but I am intrigued by your idea that Jagdeo was something more than a toy dog /clown in the courtyard hierarchy begging for scraps from the Master's unfinished fois gras curry.  That Jagdeo cracked the whip, like the school teacher bitch he was, taking over for the fallen Master Cracker Fakiranand, makes me want to perhaps agree that Jagdeo was somehow instrumental in the upholding of the outward religion that was Rawat from '71-83 [see Kisseemmee, FL '78 &-79 as its high point].  I didn't see Jagdeo having that much influence really on  the ashram stranglehold, except as a Nazi Consultant, but really just a suck up to Mishler and Dettmers, as they were the ones who really had the ear of the Lord, not the lowly dust ball, Mahatma Jagdeo with his Ivy League tennis vest over his white dhoti. Barf Bag Please.  How best to beat down the foolish premies and separate them from their money, he'd plot with his new Western Honcho friends, twisting his fingers and palms this way and that.  But, I'm not sold on his position of influence as a ringleader.  Just a barking dog with at half smile, behind which we knew nothing of the horrors of pedophelia.  I think it was you, the UK premies, Glen, the Canadian gopis, and then the USA nerd community coordinators who took over the high and mighty relevance of how to apply religion in the West, puja, order-following, sick blind following.  Jagdeo was a broken one-eyed lion on the side of the mantle at best, me thinks.  What a total turd he was in all cases.  He was THE crack that birthed an earthquake into the sick cult that is Prem Rawat Worhsip.





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NikW ®

11/06/2005, 10:19:11
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OTS,

             You are undoubtedly correct regarding Jagdeo. In retrospect I was conflating Jagdeo's with role that of Fakiranand; the latter as you say was far more significant. Of course Jagdeo's combination of sychophancy and fundamentalism undoubtedly help support Prem's "I am come with the greatest power ever" mindset. All pretty horrible whichever way one looks at it.

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