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Jim ®

11/05/2005, 20:51:16
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What kind of stilted, bizarre idiocy is this, Rawat throwing himself onto the world stage as a man with a message that everyone must hear -- it's about peace after all, don't you know -- but being unwilling to actually discuss his ideas with anyone?  It's crazy, is what it is.  People with ideas to share usually look for people to talk with.  They thrive on the interaction and seek it out here, there and everywhere. 

But Rawat?  Does Rawat do that?  Does he talk with the world whose attention he seems so slavishly bent on attracting?  All his PR puff pieces about the marginal sums he donates, all so clearly, undisputably given for one reason only, to impress (who, I don't know.  Perhaps other cult leaders, is all I can think.)  No, Rawat doesn't talk with anyone.  He can't delve into explaining his ideas because there's nothing to explain.  Just empty, self-congratulatory nothingness.  Hardly the stuff to trigger a decent conversation.







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Re: This may sound incredibly naive
Re: I have a message of peace for the world (but, please, no interviews or discussions!) -- Jim Top of thread Forum
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11/05/2005, 21:53:43
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Hi,

I'm just wondering if you or anybody you know has tried to contact Prem Rawat recently for just such a discussion? It might be interesting to try to initiate such a request to see what the answer would be.







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Nice try but it's too futile to seriously consider
Re: Re: This may sound incredibly naive -- paddy Top of thread Forum
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Jim ®

11/05/2005, 22:09:39
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Sorry, Paddy, but I could never take that suggestion seriously.  And the fact is that I did try rather extensively to contact Rawat for a little conversation a few years ago.  Even had Linda Gross, president of EV, trying, or at least claiming to try, to make the connection.  She was told in no uncertain terms that the idea was dead in the water and soon after she cut off our until-then-rather-friendly communication.  And I've sent Rawat messages before, even left him a voice mail once, all to no avail.  Perhaps I'm just not a big enough contributor.






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Re: among other considerations
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11/05/2005, 22:10:30
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Re: Nice try but it's too futile to seriously consider
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11/06/2005, 07:44:19
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Jim, I did not get a reply to my e-mail to Rawat. I have to admit that this is one of the things that bothers me most about those gurus and spiritual teachers. They have the knowledge to clarify issues and give a detailed rebuttal to accusations, but refuse to do so. Instead, Rawat is defended by his ignorant and speculating followers. SSB and Rawat are either silent or give very vague "rebuttals" or make even insulting and defamatory remarks about people who are critical about them. Why? I can only think of one good reason, they are afraid to defend themselves, because they know that they do not have the skills to do so, or because they know that there is no rational, reasonable defense possible. Can you think of another reason?

Politicians in democracies are interviewed by journalists and have to answer difficult questions. Another example, I am not a Christian, but Jesus did give a reply to several questions and criticisms, according to the Bible. 

Andries

 






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Hi Andries
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Jim ®

11/06/2005, 13:35:06
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I agree.  There's nothing more infuriating than the combination of their "Hey, look at me!  Listen to me!  I'm the one, listen to me!!" and their refusal to simply talk to people.  Of course if they did that it would all unravel in one neat, little conversation.

By the way, thanks once again for showing us around etc. 







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The PR people were there already
Re: I have a message of peace for the world (but, please, no interviews or discussions!) -- Jim Top of thread Forum
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NikW ®

11/06/2005, 04:25:39
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>Hardly the stuff to trigger a decent conversation.<

Surely that was what the 'Burt Wolf Interview' was all about - showing that Rawat the thinker could hold his own. Dismal failure of course !

N







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Re: I have a message of peace for the world (but, please, no interviews or discussions!)
Re: I have a message of peace for the world (but, please, no interviews or discussions!) -- Jim Top of thread Forum
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Jean-Michel ®

11/06/2005, 05:42:36
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Quite laughable indeed ! So self-sufficient and arrogant !

Something like God shouting from the skies 'listen to my message of peace' ......

Who cares ! He's an idiot if he actually thinks he's going to raise some interest.

And if he doesn't, he's a sociopath or plain hypocrit.

 

 

 







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Re: May be Rawat is just trapped in the guru role
Re: Re: I have a message of peace for the world (but, please, no interviews or discussions!) -- Jean-Michel Top of thread Forum
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11/06/2005, 08:12:39
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He cannot admit mistakes, let alone apologize, and there is nobody whom he can ask for help.

Andries







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Hence the bottle and the spliff (nt)
Re: Re: May be Rawat is just trapped in the guru role -- Andries Top of thread Forum
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11/06/2005, 15:13:57
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I suspect a classic example of
Re: Hence the bottle and the spliff (nt) -- hamzen Top of thread Forum
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11/07/2005, 08:59:24
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someone who is continually fronting it to people because he can't handle his own inner desperation, which is also why he is such a control freak and so germ conscious.

I've met people like this in my life and I suspect that as with them, the only thing that will crack his huge ego shell would be a major personal tragedy, and even that might be just as likely to increase the defence control mechanisms.

Now that would be sad, but so what, except for the fact that's he's a guru with a lot of power over the people he dominates and influences, in which case etc etc.






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I think Rawat still fears the press
Re: I have a message of peace for the world (but, please, no interviews or discussions!) -- Jim Top of thread Forum
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11/07/2005, 12:04:44
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After that disastrous press conference at Millennium, I don't think Rawat ever again did a press interview, or even did an interview with somebody who wasn't paid to do it, and over which his cult had full editorial control.

You're right, it is a joke, but as we all know, all thos embarrassing and juvenile Linda Pascotto press releases and thos fake, "world peace" speaking engagements are just resume padding.  They have been an attempt to try to salvage Rawat's messed up image, all as a result of ex-premies who destroyed his first campaign to save his rear, which was to lay low, and hope people would forget about the Lord of the Universe.  Despite bogus copyright attacks and blackmail attack websites, the cult has been unable to prevent ex-premies from doing that, and hence a new PR campaign, such as it is, was launched, no doubt at gerat expense.

I do wonder how much cash the food-network's Bert Wolf had to be paid to get him to do that canned, fawning interview with Rawat.  Whatever happened to that anyway?  Does Rawat now have a following in the gourmet ghettos of the world?







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Yeah, you're right: a full-on PR campaign to
Re: I think Rawat still fears the press -- Joe Top of thread Forum
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11/07/2005, 18:47:44
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. . . salvage Rawat's messed up image. Dear ol' Bob (Mishler) had it right and Rawat should have listened. Instead he let his greed and ego run rampant. After you've appeared on the public stage gussied up as Krishna, screamed at your followers to surrender and devote themselves to your holy lotus feet, run a veritable slave camp to cater to your aviator whims, built yourself a Malibu fortress that Ghengis Khan would feel at home in and generally run-amok with the lives and largesse of your converts, then its time to re-name, re-tool and re-brand big time.






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