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T ®

10/29/2005, 17:36:04
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Seems like unambiguous devotion to the creator is still the order of the day.

http://www.freewebs.com/rosewithoutthorns/wordsofdevotion.htm

An excerpt from this new premie site.

Cherished and loved

 

Who am I to question my Beloved's play? A mystery it may seem, there is no mystery to my heart only the blessings of my Beloved.

Who am I to say Beloved I love you? When in essence it is I who am cherished and loved beyond my wildest imagination.

I sing to my Beloved and beg to be saved from ignorance and with out me knowing, my Beloved has plucked me from the fire and holds me within my divine breath. I have been awoken from my sleep by the gentle nourishing of my Beloved's touch. As it soothes my heart with eternal love and constantly beckons me inside.

Awake to love touched by grace, my heart has become my guide. To- day is my gift to my Beloved.

 







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kwts ®

10/29/2005, 17:54:12
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That was actually quite sad. Sounds just like Glen!! Seriously, they need help, IMO. Especially with all the leaves and bubbles floating around, making it difficult to read.

I wonder what the revisionists would have to say about this devotional stuff.







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Re: New Premie site
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NikW ®

10/30/2005, 02:29:37
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>I wonder what the revisionists would have to say about this devotional stuff.<

Maharaji does not tell people how they should live their lives, he tells them if they want happiness he will show them how to find it within inside themselves. copyright Elan Vital all unlicenced use will be treated with exrteme prejudice on pain of death and eternal damnation.







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If I'm not mistaken
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Sir Dave ®

10/29/2005, 18:42:31
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(which I often am) that piece of prose is half-inched from Surdas or Kabir.  It sounds remarkably familiar and if it isn't actually attributed to either of them, it is clearly learned from them.






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What it all meant back then...
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Hilltop ®

10/30/2005, 00:53:58
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This attachment is an old Prem Rawat quote about the mind.

Maybe I'll post the date, etc. of this quote tomarrow.

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The person who put that site up was...
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Bunny ®

10/30/2005, 04:07:28
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...the same person that put up premiesreunited - it has Milky's fingerprints all over it. Rose without Thorns is a title he has used before and 'Beloved' with a capital B is sprinkled throughout his devotional offerings.

It is ironic since Maharaji has been a true thorn in Milky's side for most of the last 36 years. For most of that time he has been banished from the court of his beloved Lord. Of course that was just his "Beloved's play" or lila as we would have put it. And in the wilderness of his banishment, he has been free to contruct and worship his own imaginary Lord. It probably helps that his early intimacy with Rawat was before the onset of Lord's worst excesses.

An imaginary Lord will never hurt, abuse or reject you. An imaginary Lord will fully accept, and even appreciate, your devotion in whatever form it takes. Full of love and free from flaws, an imaginary lord is forever perfect. That is how it works for the majority of old premies who are given just the right exposure to their Lord in order to nuture their fantasy, but who never get to see him off-stage. Probably why many of them will not even read EPO.

It is so sad to witness that so many of our fellow 'seekers of truth' have become deniers and avoiders of truth. Still, their reward for years of devotion to an imaginary Lord is assured - after all, ignorance is bliss!

Bunny






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What a great post!
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JHB ®

10/30/2005, 04:43:44
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An imaginary Lord will never hurt, abuse or reject you. An imaginary Lord will fully accept, and even appreciate, your devotion in whatever form it takes. Full of love and free from flaws, an imaginary lord is forever perfect. That is how it works for the majority of old premies who are given just the right exposure to their Lord in order to nuture their fantasy, but who never get to see him off-stage. Probably why many of them will not even read EPO.

Great stuff, Bunny!







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and another one
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The Falcon ®

10/30/2005, 10:08:20
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www.whour.org from the Cool Chill K-Lite generation

I don't think the balloons and roses site is Milky's because he is on their message board congratulating them (mmmm, on the other hand?)







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Yes it is
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Bunny ®

10/30/2005, 10:48:19
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As for his congratulations on his own site - well what can one say? Maybe that a bit of the old Milky has survived after all!

You gorra laugh.

Bunny







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The Imaginary Lord.
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Lexy ®

10/30/2005, 18:19:29
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".... That is how it works for the majority of old premies who are given just the right exposure to their Lord in order to nuture their fantasy, but who never get to see him off-stage. Probably why many of them will not even read EPO.

It is so sad to witness that so many of our fellow 'seekers of truth' have become deniers and avoiders of truth. "

Bunny, I haven't got time to write a long post, and I agree in general with what you say. However, it's not fair to blame and mock the premies for their devotion to their " imaginary Lord"  when you admit , in the same post that they have been systematically denied exposure and access to same "Lord" ( remember how Rawat used to talk about his game of "Hide and Seek".....and say " I hide, you seek" ).

I too worshipped that " Imaginary Lord" yet I wasn't consciously a "denier" or an "avoider"...just caught; hook, line and sinker.

EPO wasn't really a topic of conversation amongst premies.When I finally did vaguely find out about it,I was curious....but I had other things occupying me and I wasn't on-line.I didn't look at the site for ages because I was busy and I didn't really understand the significance.The premie who told me said not to bother to look at it because it was "nasty"...I vaguely thought " What on Earth could anyone say that was nasty about Maharaj Ji ? ".......... and didn't really take it in as anything important.







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The lasting legacy of the five commandments
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Bunny ®

10/30/2005, 21:43:56
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Lexy,

There was absolutely no "mock or blame" towards premies on my part, only irony and sadness. That was the whole point of saying that they had been systematically denied exposure of the true Rawat! I was caught "hook, line and sinker" for 25 years too.

I would reserve any recriminations entirely towards those that conciously collude in the grand deception and even they could be regarded as victims at some level or other. Even Rawat might be regarded as a victim, albeit a much more weathly one!

In fact it's not about blame at all as far as I am concerned, but about people making informed choices. For me it's more about exasperation that they are not. We were told for years to "leave no room for doubt" in our minds and that most insidious of all of our Lord's "five commandments" seems to have rooted deeply into the mindsets of old premies.

EPO/the forums have been known about now among most western premies for a long time now and the majority of them use the internet regulary. I still have contact with premies and do know that it is a deliberate decision of many premies not to read the sites.

I was first told about the forum towards the end of '97. The person who told me had just heard an official announcement at satsang about the existence of the forum, how bad it was and how premies should not read it. From what I can gather, many or even most of the premies at that meeting did as they were told and the others just didn't believe what they read.

It was another six months before I read the forum and the archives BTW. And then one night I googled out of curiosity...

Bunny,

forever grateful to all of the ex-premies who put their time and energy into making this information available






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Re: The lasting legacy of the five commandments
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Lexy ®

10/31/2005, 17:43:23
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" Never leave room for doubt in your mind"....quite so Bunny......So simple,so effective.

How dumb was I ? How were we so dumb? It is both sad and appalling.

Rawat got lucky,I guess.Right time ( seventies ),right place (" the West"),right generation ( idealistic,naive,uninformed ).







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Re: Danny Ellis Music
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paddy ®

10/30/2005, 15:14:26
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I am in the process of digitising the last of my old tapes of DLM music (something I started 10 years ago and then ran out of steam with) and it seems to me that this musician is right in sync with the 90's One Foundation/ Daya / Eversound music style: flabby, gutless, meandering, bland, over-produced new agey sort of stuff. Perfect for what EV uses for their "walk-in" music but hardly exciting.

Are there any premie musicians still doing music with a bit of oomph? The last song I really liked was "Feel like A King" from a Long Beach CD.







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You could try this, Paddy.....
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Posted by:
Lexy ®

10/30/2005, 18:32:34
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...thinks.....hope Tim doesn't mind that I post this link! ( on a " no such thing as bad publicity " basis)

"Feel like a King" is on the track listing but I don't think it's sampled.

 





Related link: http://www.timhain.com/samples.htm
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