Oh yes, very much so. I reckon that Scotland Yard has been dripping stuff from time to time into the papers, hoping to get more background from the public, & are absolutely determined to get to the bottom of it.

The latest speculation is that it has something to do with African witchcraft, involving body parts, & a possible trafficking network in said bits & pieces.

Maybe Glen could help us (I mean Larry of Elan Vital) out here?

I may be completely wrong, but if I were Knacker of the Yard, once the connection had been established between the BM & Malibu Prem, the 1st thing I would do, would be to put the screws on his nearest earthly representative, in order to find out just what this secret initiation consisted of.

Did Glen have to get clearance from Prem to reveal the techniques to someone whose only thirst would be for Highland Park whisky, or was Larry allowed to take an executive decision on that one, all on his own?

Inquiring minds want to know, but will probably be left forever in the outer darkness.

Heavens knows why Elan Vital are taking such a risk of putting out such a Press Release (or whatever it is they wrote) denying that they have anything to do with the Nigerian guy

>Heavens knows why Elan Vital are taking such a risk of putting out such a Press Release (or whatever it is they wrote) denying that they have anything to do with the Nigerian guy

Quite so, but I'm sure there's more to this than meets the eye. <

As Dan said below - why are these people so weird ? There is almost nothing that 'organised premies' have done that makes any sense in the wider world - sure they get professional advice but it ends up filtered through their 'guru bubble' and spews out as so much nonsense.

Leblang's lie about the Nigerian Guru not having ever been in contact with an EV representative is probably based on the sophistry that any mahatma who may have 'initiated' the new Guru, was not a representative of EV and therefore no 'legal' relationship was ever established. It's an argument which raises some interesting possibilities - if authority to transmit the Rawat technics is vested with Elan Vital, at what point did EV acquire that authority and under what circumstances can EV deny Prem a place in the transmission ? And, should Daya ever wish to take over - will she have to have a licence from EV to practice guruship ?

 I love the way Larry handles all this legal stuff,  he's giving the carrion eaters the option to spend years pulling the Rawat/EV carcass to pieces. And just when will Raja Ji make a play to secure his personal piece of the empire before the whole lot slips into the Pacific. Lawyers at dawn before long I fear.

Nik

So he is denouncing an "imposter" who calls himself the same name ?

Did Larry Leblang send the letter to you / EPO , John?

Glad you put the word "imposter" in quotes! Many people have been called "Guru Maharaj Ji", so I don't think any of them could be called the genuine one, and any others, imposters. I can't see any difference between Mohammed Saib's right to use the title, and Rawat's. Both are frauds who have lied about their past.

Did Larry Leblang send the letter to you / EPO , John?

The letter was sent to me by an ex-follower of the Nigerian Guru Maharaj Ji.

I don't think so. His main guru was Poonja ji in 1986 although he did have other teachers beforehand. The Andrew Cohen ex-follower site is linked here.

13

"OK. I heard he had a house around Penzance somewhere ..."

Might you be thinking of that Rupert fellow?  There was a guy in the late 70s or early 80s that, after taking K from one of Prem Rawat's authorised representatives ® , took it upon himself to start giving K to people.  I believe he based himself in Penzance at some point.  By all accounts he got a goodly following ending up on a farm in Wales.  At one point he got a visit from Glen Whitaker and Nick Seymour-Jones (aka Nick Seymour-"Light") to try and get Rupert to stop what he was doing.  Dunno what happened to Rupert finally, however I heard that he was brought up on some police charge at some point in time.  (breaking and entering or something like that).

By all accounts Rupert ws a nice guy, somewhat deluded though (like we all were I guess, being members of a cult and all  )

T

Hi again 13

You may well be right.  In fact I did hear a rumour that Andrew Cohen was shown the techniques at some point and maybe he was in Penzance at that time.  Certainly he spent lots of time in later years (still does?) and particularly around Belsize Park in London where he has a large centre even though he originally comes from New York. In fact there use to be someone who posted on these forums ages ago who met up with Andrew Cohen and suggested I go along and meet up with him in Belsize Park (I live in London) to see what a mean manipulative person he is.  I never did.

Cohen mentioned somewhere that he had several teachers up to the time he met his final teacher called Poonja.  Perhaps he considers one of his previous teachers to be Prem Rawat?

Cohen runs a nasty little cult where adherants are encouraged to rat on each other directly to Cohen or his senior honchos, all wrapped up as something that is good for them, their enlightenment etc.  Gurus huh?  What a freak show they all are.

T

Remember the Judy Collins thingy with her singing 'Amazing Grace' to Rawat at the Albert Hall in the UK?

Also I remember being told that Sri Chimnoy was a devotee of Hansji as well as Nehru(but not Ghandi though!!).

When premies complained to Rawat about the Iskon(Krishnas)_, he was reputed to have said "Leave them alone, they are mine".

Hmm next time I visit London, I shall look up Andrew Cohen and ask him if he was a premie ever.

I do know Belsize Park. I saw the Rolling Stones there('63) in the Country Club that used to be behind the underground station.

Hmmm maybe Mick Jagger is also a closet premie.

Regards Jethro

Hi Jethro

Hey we could go together, that will be a laugh and a half.

Give us a bell when you next in town.

T

I would if I knew your number.

Lost it again huh?  tsk!

Check your email Jethro.

T

See link.

Sure, he recorded some superlative tracks such as Suzanne, Marianne, Sisters of Mercy and so on.

And he spent various years as a buddhist novice.

I just feel that he should be disregarded here in terms of his spiritual journey, because he gave so much to us all at the time through his music, which can't be forgotten by so many.

Hi Tempora

Even though your post did not contain a smiley or something like that I guess you are just being comical about the surnames between Leonard and Andrew and their respective 'spiritual' paths.

In case you were not, the discussion is about Andrew as in http://www.andrewcohen.org/ not Leonard as in http://www.leonardcohen.com/

T

Whenever anyone has mentioned Andrew Cohen for about the last 2 years I've always made a little joke about Leonard Cohen.

Thank you for the links -  but I think I probably know them already.

I'll try and remember the little smiley next time.

for being a total dick-head Tempora.

Obviously I missed out, or did not remember, your previous jokes about Leonard and Andrew.

T

Thanks for the email...I guessed as much..:>)

Anyway, regarding Leanord Cohen, I can personally assure you that he is enjoyimg life to the full. Remind me about him when we next see each other and I will fill you in.

all the best Jethro

I don't think anyone has ever explained the workings of this, or indeed much else about the paranoid security set up around the LOTU, but from the little of it that I know about, it was as much to do with stifling dissent as it was to do with protecting a 'celebrity' from his more enthusiastic followers.

Rupert was on the list of course. I had a run in with him on one occasion, which I've written about a couple of times. I think you may be suffering from Chinese Whisper Syndrome in your account above, but not to worry, I'm hardly an expert on the man myself. It's just that when someone threatens to have you thrown out of a 1st floor window by his gang of runaway teenage concubines,you retain a vivid picture of what he appeared to be at that moment in time.

In his case an intelligent egotistical lunatic, with a rocket engine in his head, probably now burnt out.

I probably should be on a bongo list of some sort seeing that I post here.  However I know I'm not as EV keep sending me stuff like invitations to meet Yoram etc.  Why just today I got a message from EV telling me the latest news about their trailor, news about the latest Rawat screenings and other highly uninteresting stuff.(see attached)

I keep asking EV to take me off their mailing list, but they simply don't bother.  Maybe it's good for their statistics or something and they don't care they are breaking the law (Data Protection Act).  

You are probably right about the Chinese whispers, I never knowingly met Rupert so all I have to go on are the stories I heard.  I now remember you tellling of the time you were nearly thrown out of a window by one of his followers.  I suppose for many he was simply 'adorable' but for all others he was prone to violence and stuff. A typical wannabee guru then! 

T

No, it really is bizarre that the author felt this needed saying, and that the author couldn't see how cult-like this looks to anyone who is not a premie.

I often, at work that is, sit in prestigious rooms at work whilst being in the audience.  Often I have to get up and speak to the audience about rather important things.

Silly buggers don't provide me with a Gulfstream V to get to said talks.  Obviously the wrong type of audience, or something.

T

Maybe the premies that must be obeyed have finally realised that Mr Rawat is seriously unattractive and people should be shielded from close-ups until they are completely vibed into disregarding the natural suspicion that someone looking like that can be a master of inner peace.

Although I noticed in that canned infomercial with Burt Wolf, Rawat looked particularly obese, sort of crammed into a chair, large, protruding stomach unable to be hidden by his tastefully expensive, and expansive, golf shirt.

Yes, I think that is the reason.  Also, years of cognac have given Rawat "alcoholic eyes."  They are so puffy you often can't even see his eyes.